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Last thing, I decided to…
Last thing, I decided to check if there was any interview not tagged as such and there is at least one! Poor Brittney Cooper from episode 63 in Africana isn't even tagged as an interview!
Side thing, don't know if this is just me somehow, but the page for 79 on Africana, the interview with Leonard Harris, the proportions are all messed up. Like the picture and episode list are so far off to the side that it isn't even under the header and I have to scroll right on the page to see it
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Fixing up the site
Great, thanks - I fixed Cooper but am unable to deal with the problem on the Harris page, I asked webmaster Julian to have a look.
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Transcripts
Just an update on this:
For a few I seem to have no raw file as yet so we'll have to get the Computer Overlords to churn those out.
But for a lot of them I had simply failed to link to the transcript from the podcast episode page. This was easy to fix so you can now see transcripts for: 300b, 321, 360, 387, and 431, plus 41 and 50 in the India series.
And then a couple still are being edited (318 Primavesi, 39 Garraway).
I put a transcript of 250 (the Q&A episode) directly on the episode page; for 215 and 400, the interviews with several other podcasters, I think I'm inclined not to do transcripts since those are a bit incidental to the overall project and it would be a lot of work to edit them for someone since they are each over an hour long.
Thanks again for tracking down the missing episodes!
In reply to Transcripts by Peter Adamson
Well, how about you just…
Well, how about you just have the ai transcript for 215 and 400 and if anyone is willing to do them then they can, but at least the ai version of the transcript will exist for those who want one. Just would need to make special notice of that fact. Or another idea: If I remember correctly, you interviewed the podcasters in both episodes in sequential order right? Maybe instead of treating it as one transcript, you could split it up into three that then different people can work on at different times, if that makes sense. If done that way, that would cut the workload down quite a bit for an individual transcript anyway.
I'm assuming, due to similar reasoning that you gave to 215 and 400, that you aren't inclined to make transcripts of the bonus episodes as well? If so, outside of my first suggestion, at the very least a transcript for the first chapter of your book would be very easy right? (would it even be a "transcript" for it? haha).
Glad to have helped make the podcast more accessible! Just two last things quickly unrelated to the transcripts.
1. In the catholic reformation series, in both the general overview page and each episode, the part that lists how long the series is ("Episodes x - y: name of series") doesn't have either the name of the series (and the link to the overview page) or the html/css styling the website usually gives it. If you don't know what I mean, just look between the series list and the picture in a single episode and you will see what I mean.
2. This technically applies to ancient and medieval philosophy, but I feel that especially with modern philosophy there is lots of contemporary material that engages with it critically and offer multiple different angles and understandings of it. I have specifically in mind as a prime example Liberalism, and the criticism that Marxism, some strands of feminist theory, post/decolonial theory etc. You have already come across a lot of this in the Africana series. Cartesian dualism also comes to mind as another big example, of the huge contemporary desire to go beyond cartesian dualism, in this or that way. I'm wondering exactly how you are going to go about this issue, of choosing which contemporary voice/view to include and which to exclude in your coverage. One the one hand, they all offer (in my view anyway) interesting insights and critical reevaluations to our understanding of modern philosophers. On the other hand, the stream of voices seem endless.
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Two points
Thanks for all that - I'll bring the point about the new episodes to Julian's attention.
The last point is tricky, but I think for the most part I will stick to telling the story as "immanently" as possible, so, trying to contextualize Cartesianism or whatever topic within its historical frame, and talking more about how contemporaries reacted to it rather than (say) 20th c objections. I might occasionally mention something along those lines but more to keep the listener's attention; it isn't really the point of the project and as you say there is no end to it. Also just pragmatically I think I'm going to have my hands full reading through the more historically oriented scholarship on this stuff! Which is also pretty much endless...
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Some of the critiques are…
Some of the critiques are historically grounded and also very relevant to how we understand their philosophy though. Like, I know you will want to bring up how John Locke was invested in the Royal Africa company or John Stuart Mill with the East India company and how that should relate to how we understand their works. If we are willing to do that, then why not also bring in some modern historical critiques like a Marxist class critique of Liberalism? That would be the most historically grounded critique that comes to mind.
Appreciation, and Episodes Disappearing on Apple Podcasts
Hi Peter -
I’ve been working my way through the series from the start since last year, and it really is astounding the care you have put into this podcast and website. Thank you so much for providing the world with this resource.
I had an amateur interest in modern philosophy before your series and I read some Hume and analytic philosophy I liked. With a scientific background I assumed I didn’t have much to learn from, especially, ancient and medieval metaphysics. Happy to say how wrong that impression was… even issues that in the moment I think feel too removed from my natural empiricist mindset, including very theological issues, I find myself considering in my free time now. When I catch up in the podcast I’m sure I’ll loop back to reading my favorite thinkers. Although I just finished Abelard and I do admit the “medieval modernism” I found refreshing nonetheless!
Anyway - the original inspiration for my message, I was about to start the Indian Philosophy series and noticed they seem to be disappearing from Apple Podcasts. The first 3 episodes are currently missing. I have no problem listening on your website but wanted to be sure you didn’t lose any potential new listeners due to this, if it isn’t just some weird error on my end.
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Bite taken out of Apple
Thanks, it’s great to hear that you are getting so much out of the podcast!
On the Apple problem: in browsing mode they only show the most recent 200 episodes of any feed, I think it is; you can still get at the earliest episodes but you have to “subscribe”. If you look at the original HoPWaG feed it starts well after the beginning for the same reason. Unfortunately this is a general policy so nothing we can do to fix it.
playback
Hi Peter,
First, thanks for this great project and the effort you are putting in! I keep revisiting and listening to the old episodes while trying to keep up also on the new ones, getting bettter insight every time.
I was wondering if something recently changed in the recordings, as the recent episodes (starting from the Renaissance and Reformation in Britain) are harder to follow for me. It feels like the playback speed is faster or pauses are cut out. I am not a native speaker of English, so maybe it is me, but just wanted to ask.
Regards, Cor
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Playback
No, that shouldn’t be different; possibly there are episodes where I am talking too fast? But I would be surprised if there is a systematic problem just for the more recent episodes, and no one else has mentioned anything. Maybe check the settings on your device?
Thomas Sankara
What happened with Sankara? I was wondering about him recently, and just learned that my question asking about him is nearly a year old by now. Was it too late, didn't fit with the current plan, nothing philosophically interesting about him?
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Sankara
Oh right, thanks for the reminder. I guess he would (if anywhere) go in the book version as a figure comparable to the other African political leaders with philosophical interests. I'll check this with Chike.
Chinese philosophy and disability/neurodiversity
Do you or Karyn Lai know of any work that deals with the relation between Chinese philosophy and disability/neurodiversity? I'm listening to the lecture series that Lai gave a few months ago on Chinese philosophy for Leverhulme and there has been a few times where Disability/Neurodiversity would pose some interesting questions to the ideas and/or puts them into a different and interesting light/angle. Two examples come to mind:
First, with Confucius. Specifically I have in mind between Ritual and Autistic people masking. Masking is when an Autistic person covers up their Autistic traits in order to fit in the neurotypical world. I can't say I really understand the role that ritual plays into Confucius' thought yet, but I know at least that it is related somehow to cultivation. It seems like though that a lot of daily rituals would not help cultivate an Autistic person, when they have to repress their Autistic traits for the sake of ritual. It is a common experience that later on in life for some Autistic people that have had to mask their whole lives to experience burnout and can no longer do a lot of stuff they could do before (very low on energy, no longer able to mask for a while etc). So much for cultivation, the rituals haven't helped them flourished at all but instead acted against their flourishing or their ability to participate in society. Would this be a correct understanding of what ritual is and the purpose it is supposed to serve, and if so how could a Confucian respond to this negative outcome?
The second example is the swimming parable in the Zhuangzi. The swimmer, by not having a dao of their own, is able to follow the dao of the water, which confuses Confucius since he has his own dao and therefore is unable to understand what the swimmer is doing or how. I think bringing in disability can help put two Daoist themes, spontaneity and relativity, in an interesting angle. On the one hand, if the swimmer had broken legs, how the swimmer would follow the water's dao would be different (I can imagine there would be more focus on how they use their arms and/or how they would control/throw their body weight around in order to navigate and move around the water), precisely showing the relativity of the water's dao. On the other hand, if your body is prone to stiffing up in cold water, then it seems that there is no way to go with the flow of the water. The dao of the water would be hostile to you, in which case you can't naturally and spontaneously follow the water's dao. In which case, if we still want to swim, they would have to develop their own dao somehow that goes against the water's dao, since they certainly can't follow it.
Both of those examples may or may not be born from misunderstandings, I don't know enough yet. But at the very least, if Karyn Lai is right in the lecture series that early Chinese Philosophy has an attentiveness to orientation and self-cultivation, then disability and neurodiversity surely seem very relevant to those concerns. So I have to imagine there has been some work on this, especially since it isn't necessarily a modern concern (what I mean is, while in my first example Autism might be a modern concern, I know that there is a recurring theme in the Zhuangzi of the use of uselessness) so I can't imagine there not being lots of literature on this.
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Chinese philosophy and disability
It's funny you ask, because I was reading the Analects today (as one does... actually, because I am working on the episode to introduce this work) and was struck, having had this exchange with you on the site here, by the fact that there are several references to blindness. In particular there is a striking passage where a blind "music master" visits Confucius and he puts the man at ease while also telling him who is there, where they are sitting, etc - must be one of the earliest examples of a philosophical text about ethical treatment of the disabled?
Unfortunately though I don't know whether there is secondary literature on your question, but I will keep it in mind and let you know if I come across anything.
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I am sure Karyn Lai must…
I am sure Karyn Lai must know. In that very same lecture series I was talking about, literally the last episode is about disability and a good life in Zhuangzi's philosophy. Didn't even realise that until I made the comment haha.
Speaking of the lecture series, I meant to link it in my last comment so you could see what I was talking about but I forgot to. Here it is: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLvW1evjftfvm9LSZgsu24ppri9JC8Q9ot
Where can I get podcast?
Hi ...
So I started on Google Podcasts but it's closing. I don't have an Apple phone. Where can I get your podcasts?
Clay Kallam
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Podcast
Well, here on the site, or on Spotify or directly on Podbean which hosts both series.
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Podcast
Well, here on the site, or on Spotify or directly on Podbean which hosts both series.
Plato and Aristotle on knowledge
Among the chief achievements of Plato's epistemology we have the difference between episteme and doxa, the account of episteme as true and justified belief, the dependence of episteme on ontology and the importance of truth for political and ethical life.
What does Aristotle add to these achievements? Can we regard the systematization of deductive reasoning as a continuation of Plato's program? As to metaphysics: does this play the same role as the dimension of imperishable and unchanging forms in Plato?
I am perplexed. It seems that in spite of his historiographic method that made him famous in the Physics and Metaphysics, Aristotle does not do the same in epistemology and, for example, simply neglects Theaetetus and Republic
Comments and criticism are welcomed
Davide
In reply to Plato and Aristotle on knowledge by Davide Doardi
Aristotle's epistemology
I can sort of see why you would say that because the more famous and frequently read treatises by Aristotle are not centrally about epistemology. However, there is the Posterior Analytics. It engages intensely with the question of how to distinguish episteme from doxa and sets out a theory of scientific demonstration as constitutive of episteme. What we perhaps get less from Aristotle is a weaving together of themes in epistemology with politics, metaphysics, etc though even there he has plenty to say, for instance the inclusion of the sections on the intellectual virtues in the Ethics. And by the way all of his works engage extensively with Plato: critique of Forms in the Metaphysics, of the Form of the Good in Ethics bk 1, of the Timaeus in the Physics and elsewhere, extensive critique of the Republic in the Politics, and those are just the most obvious explicit references, in fact he is thinking about Plato all the time even when he doesn't say so.
I do have an episode on Aristotle's epistemology by the way so you could check that out, it explains the theory of the Posterior Analytics.
Cancel Culture academy style
There must be a very good reason that while Israel does not appear in the roster of countries to choose from for my profile Palestine does and I would like to hear it. Please fix this. You may be of the ilk that thinks that cancelling Israel and simultaneously creating an alternate state IS part of the fix, in which case I think deserves an episode of its own. Tell the world.
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Palestine
Actually I didn't even know that there was a dropdown menu for users to indicate their country, never mind that Israel isn't on it. But I guess that is some automatic thing we don't have control over. Actually are you sure about this? Sounds very unlikely. (At first I thought you must mean that Palestine isn't on it, which sounds more possible, but then I re-read your message.)
A blogpost on suggested figures/themes/to cover 1600-1800
Hiya Professor, years ago you made a blog post on what topics/philosophers to cover for the Renaissaince and many listeners chimed in on this site and mention various topics/philosophers/themes to cover
https://www.historyofphilosophy.net/renaissance-suggestions
Are you going to do a new blogpost for the same for 1600-1800 European Philosophy, as it listeners might chime in figures that should be covered that may not have been in your radar in the first place, for example Richard Hooker for British reformation (who you eventually did devote an episode to).
Since we're starting this series next year, it should give you plenty time to prepare for such material, since we're starting on France-Low countries next. I say this because a particular French Catholic philosopher caught my eye, his name is Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet and his work 'Discours sur l'histoire universelle' which is similar to Augustine 'city of god'.
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Blog post
Great idea! I will do that. Gosh you are thinking about the podcast even more than I am, it seems.
Who is the oldest known philosopher or group of philosophers?
Hi, Peter.
I would like to ask you what is the earliest philosophy, whether of an individual philosopher or a group of philosophers, that there are still records of, be it of primary source or of secondary source.
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Oldest philosophers
Well it depends what you'd be willing to count as a philosopher or philosophical text, of course, but I'd go with either the Rig Veda or some of the "Instructions" we covered in the Africana series, the podcasts on ancient Egypt.
The Presocratics aren't even close!
Albert the Great citing Avicenna
Hi Peter,
In his "De mirabilibus mundi", Albert the Great has cited a quote from Avicenna about some features of human soul, as Albert puts in his citation, apparently in Avicenna's "sixth book of Naturalia". More than this I don't know.
Maybe you have a hint where to look for, in order to find exactly the text in the original Arabic?
Thanks!
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Sixth book
Sure, that should be the "Nafs" (i.e. Soul) section of the Natural Philosophy of the Shifa'. There is the Rahman edition, but you might be able to find it quicker if you look at Tommaso Alpina's recent book on this part of the Shifa' (which is fantastic anyway, so well worth your time even if you don't find the quotation). There is also an old French translation of the whole Nafs by Bakos.
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thanks!
took me some time, but I will soon start an interlibrary loan, so hopefully I will have all three (Alpina, Bakos and Rahman). I guess I have to re-listen to your Avicenna episodes for a warm up first... it has been so long ago... wow when I think of it, all these years I have been listening to your podcast, truly great work...
Freedom and the stages of life
Hello Peter
I am a loyal listener to the podcast HoPWaG. I am interested in how the Freedoms we value may change over the course of our lives. For example a 14 year old may be content merely to rebel against authority, a 30 year old may value the ability to work in harmony with existing authorities (to start a small business for example) and a 50 year old might want to BE the authority. For me personally a 14 year old libertarian seems to be living in harmony with their stage of life whereas a 50 year old libertarian is not. (Obviously this is a contentious claim. This is merely an opinion on my part and I am sure things are more complicated than that!) Please recommend books that might give me insight into how the Ancient Philosophers thought about how our personal age might affect how we think about freedom and about which sorts of freedoms and conception of freedom we should value. I would be interested in both primary and secondary source books and especially interested in any philosophers who have written works in the last 8 years or so that relate our current changing conceptions of which freedoms we should value to writers from the ancient world. I am primarily interested in European, Japanese and Indian ancient thinkers, but would also be interested in other traditions. Thanks...and thanks for your sheer endurance as you create HoPwaG!
Philip
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Freedom
That is an interesting question! One thing I'd point out is that there are really two philosophical debates that fall under "freedom," one that is more metaphysical, about free action and choice, and another that is about political freedom. I think you are more interested in the latter than the former but the former is better researched. I would recommend though looking at "A Free Will" by the late great Michael Frede, on the emergence of the concept of will, and this would be a good overview on the metaphysical side of things:
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/freedom-ancient/
And there is also a page on ancient political thought that might be helpful:
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/ancient-political/
There's also a book called "The Discovery of Freedom in Ancient Greece" which I haven't read but there is a review by Zita Hitz, which you can download here:
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More on Freedom
Oh and I'd also suggest listening to the recent series of episodes on freedom on the "Past, Present, Future" podcast by David Runciman, in which he and Lea Ypi discuss freedom in a variety of philosophical periods and traditions including antiquity.
No Judaism as a group?
Wonderful podcasts, but why there is no Judaism-related podcasts? Everything else you seem to be covering...
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Judaism
Actually there are many Judaism related podcasts already! Most of them are in the section on the Islamic world and in the Andalusia section; also there is the episode on Philo in the Late Antiquity part and it comes up in the Renaissance series too, like in the episode on theories of love. With more to come in the early modern series. The reason there is no single heading for Jewish philosophy is that as you probably know, Jewish thinkers turn up in various chronological and geographical spaces, which is how the podcast as a whole is divided.
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Thank you. I wish there were…
Thank you. I wish there were tags to follow, that would make things a bit easier to navigate, as the number of the posts is growing. Btw, I wanted to say Hi from Boston and that I am enjoying your lectures this semester at the University of Lucerne! One of my favorites I must say.
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Tags
Actually there are tags, but we call them “Themes” - if you look at the bottom of the page you’ll see the link to them. I don’t have one for Judaism because I think of these as tags for philosophical topics but maybe I should add one for that.
Glad you are enjoying the Lucerne course!
Chinese phonology
I hadn’t thought about this until I started listening to the second episode—has anyone gone over some of the basic Chinese pronunciations with you? I know you’re obviously reading pinyin, but the pronunciations are nothing like what we use in English. The big example is that the word Zhou is pronounced more like “Joe”. It took me a minute to know what dynasty you were talking about.
I may have to skip out on these episodes as I know the pronunciations are only going to get more difficult if you haven’t heard the names pronounced before. (And I am just talking about Mandarin.)
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Chinese
What we're doing is that Karyn is recording the words for me and I am doing my best to imitate what she does; I actually stop as I go along recording and listen to her version. Obviously this is a bit of a challenge but I am doing my best with it! (For example I mostly have been saying Zhou "Joe" but I may have screwed one up.) Just bear with me, it'll probably get at least a little better as I go along and get more practice.
Or when you say "what we usually say in English" do you mean, I should just say everything the way it's written as if it were English words? I am not sure that would be a good idea because it would be very far from the real pronunciation and there are different transliteration systems anyway so it is sort of random, to my mind.
books
My favorite podcast series but I just found out they're also available in book form! I'm a better reader than listener. Just bought the whole set on Amazon, and looking forward to China.
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Books
Awesome! Hope you will enjoy them. Actually I think China may be the fourth book to come along in the next few years since there will be two Africana volumes and the Reformation volume before then.
Freedom in the Ancent World
It seems to me that at different ages of our lives we value different sorts of freedom. When we are 14 a libertarian sort of freedom seems appealing. A 14 year old usually has distinct and identifiable authority figures and freedom for the 14 year old frequently consists in rebelling against those authority figures (or at least in always keeping alive the possibility of rebelling against those authority figures). At 30 years old, by contrast, many people want the sort of freedom they can only achieve by being in harmony with authority (they might want to start a small business or be a Prof for example). To be free to start a small business (at least one with a physical store) one needs and wants a stable society and one wants to be integrated into that society in the relevant ways. It seems to me that philosophers of the ancient world thought a lot (more than we do today) about the different stages of life. My question is: Are there ancient authors who thought specifically about what sorts of freedom we should value at the different stages of our lives? Thanks!
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Freedom and age
That is a great question! As it happens I am thinking about that a lot recently, not just freedom in particular but what philosophers in antiquity had to say about aging. A good place to look would be the letters by Cicero and Seneca on aging, they definitely do suggest that our priorities shift over time. Also check out Plato's Republic book 1, the part with the discussion between Socrates and Cephalus.
Any new insight to what is oldest known philosophy?
I'm curious to know from the History Of Philosophy Without Any Gaps' research into the history of philosophy if any new insight has been gained as to which of the known ancient systems of philosophy may be the oldest.
In reply to Any new insight to what is oldest known philosophy? by RG
Oldest
Well, given the Africana episode on Prehistoric philosophy I guess I'd lean towards saying that it is not a meaningful question, because there is philosophy in all places and times where humans exist and you can use any artifacts of human culture (e.g. cave paintings) to try to reconstruct it. If you mean actual texts though, then the answer is ancient Egypt.
In reply to Oldest by Peter Adamson
Re: Oldest
I had originally intended to ask about what may be the oldest known philosophical texts but then I thought to just ask what may be the oldest system of philosophy that we know of because whatever ancient systems of philosophy that we know about we obviously have texts / records of, so my question was a double-fold one and I think it adequate that I asked in the way because both of my questions were answered by you.
In reply to Oldest by Peter Adamson
Sumerian
Even if we are taking an expansive view of Egyptian philosophy and a less expansive view of Sumerian, I would have thought Instructions of Shuruppak would at least contend for the oldest surviving philosophical text? Am I mistaken on its age?
Buster Keaton : the expression of a thought
Dear Peter,
As a long-time listener to your podcast, I have become accustomed to your many references to Buster Keaton, the 20th century comedian, or should I say 'Buster Keaton', the name of that same comedian, whom you frequently use to illustrate philosophical points.
I was delighted to discover you are not alone in this pedagogical employment of the late great comic's name.
Edward Kanterian, in "Frege: A Guide for the Perplexed" (Continuum, London and New Your, 2012) argues in a discussion of 'The function-theoretic account of Sense' (pp. 184-197) "against all evidence and reason, that there are certain concepts which yield thoughts for objects." He then plugs in "a name ('Buster Keaton'), thus obtaining the experession of a thought, a declarative sentence, ('Buster Keaton is a comedian')."
To go to the punchline, Kanterian concludes "It is difficult to say what thought exactly we obtain by this method for our examples 'Fifi is sitting' or 'Buster Keaton is a comedian.'"
All of which harkens back to an earlier discussion of "different modes of determining ('Bestimmungesweisen') on pp. 111 ff.
We can only hope that by the end of the passage, Buster is not sitting on Fifi.
Yours truly,
Michael Stanley-Jones
Circular Research Foundation (Parabita, Italy)
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Frege and Keaton
Goodness, that’s remarkable! My podcast started in 2010, I wonder if Kanterian was a listener and that’s why he chose this example? I think I was already mentioning Keaton early on.
This is a blessing. I…
This is a blessing. I graduated as a philosophy major about 15 years ago and found this almost a year ago in hopes that I could get a refresh. This is perfect and I hope you are very proud of this. You should be ; )
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Refresh
Thanks, that's great to hear! Very kind of you to say.
To say thanks
I just want to thank you for this brilliant website! It's really useful. I graduated with a BA in philosophy way back in 1978 and have maintained an interest ever since, but sometimes it's difficult to find good sources. On material I am already familiar with, I use Stanford's Encyclopedia a lot, but that stuff is pretty dense and challenging in areas I'm not that familiar with. This is indeed a good gap-filler. I especially value the entries on Islamic and African philosophy, which are very much overlooked in standard syllabi. So - thank you very much!
Elizabeth Morton, Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Sincere thanks to this website.
I'm so glad I found this website at the perfect time. I can't thank you enough, as all I thought was to obtain all the philosophy material in one accessible and free place with all sources for my research. I'm beginning my career as a journalist after completed my masters in the UK. Wish me luck and cheers!
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All in one place
Thanks, glad you find it useful! And absolutely good luck with your new career.
Debate vs Dialectic
It didn't let me post this on the episode for some reason but in episode 34 - Mr. Know It All: Aristotle's Life And Works, you off-handedly disparage modern political debating styles here implying that they are inferior to Aristotle's model of dialectic argument. I would just like to point out that, as it seems to me, these two things serve completely different contexts and functions, different objectives and thus different strategies for approaching them.
The purpose of a dialectic is to find common group between two opposing positions. The advantage of this approach is that it's less confrontational and at the end both participants hopefully have a better understanding of the topic. The downside is it's slow and doesn't scale very well. You have to walk people through your arguments one at a time, at their own pace, addressing their objections as you go. I might describe this as a trade-off of precision over efficiency.
A debate by contrast is a competition to persuade a third party, often a large audience to make a decision. As such compromise in this situation is not necessarily desirable. Only one of you can win the election or court case or whatever it is. Admitting your opponent might have a valid argument does you no good at all and might even do your audience a disservice if they make a bad decision because you sold yourself short. Furthmore, you need to convince lots of people quickly. There's no time to patiently walk every single audience member through your reasoning. Therefore this situation demands efficiency, which means being a persuasive speaker is more important than having a logically unassailable argument. Honestly, for a leadership position, being persuasive is more important anyway. To dump a bit on Plato's analogy of the ship, having perfect navigation skill does you no good if you can't convince anyone to follow you in the first place. And even if the captain only has a general idea of where he's going, as long as he can figure out how to get there eventually that's gonna be good enough most of the time.
Therefore I think both strategies have a time and a place and the important thing is to recognize which situation your dealing with and apply the correct strategy to the situation. As you observed, if you apply the logic of a debate to a one-on-one discussion you'll just end up talking past each other (which I've absolutely seen people do and it is always obnoxious). But a presidential debate is not a casual fireside chat. Think what would happen if two candidates just had a dialectic argument on stage, which is what your comment, and the comments of plently of other people I've heard, imply that you think they should do. The vast majority of the audience is going to get completely lost because you're barely engaging them and they can't all have signed on to the endoxa you set in the first place. And if at the end both participants decide they've now reached a consensus on which policy they support, the whole thing will have been completely useless for trying to figure out which one of them you should vote for.
Sorry to jump down your throat over a offhand remark like this but you're far from the first person I've seem make this mistake and it's a bit of a pet peeve of mine. This seemed like a good place to air my grievances. Just found your show the other week and am loving it so far. Looking forward to bingeing my way through it :)
In reply to Debate vs Dialectic by Latürnich
Debate and dialectic
Interesting point. I guess I partially agree with you, in that a political debate is comparable to what Aristotle calls "rhetoric" and he makes many of the points about rhetoric that you make here: limited time, the goal being simply to convince an audience, etc. Where I disagree is with your characterization of dialectic. I mean, you can use the word also in the way you are using it, of course, but in Aristotle "dialectic" is a competitive enterprise in which two "players" are trying to defeat one another according to set rules; Topics 8 is particularly clear on this, and even suggests some rather underhanded ways of getting one over on the other player. Dialectical techniques may also have a role in the kind of truth-seeking project you have in mind, but that is not primarily how he thinks about it. His version of dialectic is probably based on a kind of reasoning game that was played in the Academy. So we could perhaps think of something like a Presidential debate as a fusion of dialectic (competition between two rivals who are trying to undermine each other's arguments) and rhetoric (appeal to the audience, etc.). Aristotle, watching a modern US political debate, would probably detect bad practice both in terms of his recommendations about dialectic and his recommendations about rhetoric.
On Horizons
This may be one of many gratitude comments, but it is mine nonetheless.
Discovering the podcast has been a real blessing! Even if at times some topics seemed a bit obscure or harder to follow, it gives me more reasons to listen to the relevant episodes again! The show has greatly helped me demystify medieval thought and understand Neoplatonism and granted me a greater appreciation of Abelard and Avicenna. Plus, the "without any gaps" approach, showcasing how different people across different cultures and epochs understand and approach certain issues really satisfies my "background in history" itch!
At the same time, it's been a great stepping stone in my journey to enhance my horizons and in understanding myself:
I'm finding (or rediscovering) that reflecting upon topics, be they wider societal issues, some episode topics or my own person, has a daunting (due to the sheer vastness that can lead one to feel like they don't know where to start, or that the abyss "gazes back") yet charming character; one that I, at times, consider turning into more substantive texts beyond mere diary entries. The Africana series also further punctuated that even seemingly simple insights can have surprising implications, and reinforced that barriers to reflection can be illusory. Now, if only I could properly get started!
Reflecting more in this manner has also helped me become more resilient, even if the work is not yet done, if such an endeavor can ever be "complete".
It is also helping me fulfill the commandment of "know thyself" by inspiring me to commit to such reflections and continue asking myself questions; "Is this what I stand for? What do I stand for? What do I value?...", questions I realize I haven't asked myself enough in the past.
To conclude, thanks for the podcast, thanks for giving me more topics to sate my intellectual curiosity and keep company in the long nights of the cold season and the balmy evenings of the warm one!
In reply to On Horizons by T.H
Horizons
Thanks, that's great to hear! Glad you are finding the project so helpful.
Interview Episodes missing themes other than 'Interview'
Professor, thanks for your work in adding themes to the scripted episodes, I've noticed that these interviewed episodes are missing themes related to the interview, the only theme attached is 'interview' unlike 'Ethics' or 'Logic', etc..
I'll be posting the links to the episodes with the missing theme below.
1. https://historyofphilosophy.net/mccabe-on-heraclitus
2. https://historyofphilosophy.net/malcolm-schofield-on-the-presocratics
3. https://historyofphilosophy.net/woolf-socrates
4. https://historyofphilosophy.net/aristotle-plato
5. https://historyofphilosophy.net/warren-epicurus
6. https://historyofphilosophy.net/stoics-sedley
7. https://historyofphilosophy.net/platonism-opsomer
8. https://historyofphilosophy.net/trapp-humfress
9. https://historyofphilosophy.net/ismailis-daftary
10 . https://historyofphilosophy.net/avicenna-gutas
11. https://historyofphilosophy.net/averroes-taylor
12. https://historyofphilosophy.net/jewish-neoplatonism-pessin
13. https://historyofphilosophy.net/maimonides-stroumsa
14. https://historyofphilosophy.net/gersonides-crescas-rudavsky
15. https://historyofphilosophy.net/medieval-marenbon-kraye
16 - https://historyofphilosophy.net/anselm-sweeney
17 - https://historyofphilosophy.net/emery-institutions
18 - https://historyofphilosophy.net/upanisads-black
19 - https://historyofphilosophy.net/aquinas-macdonald
Thankfully we have the Transcript feature so if you want to refresh your memory professor one could read the interview and attach the relevant themes, for movements of philosophy historical context may be needed for example the interview episodes on Stoicism that covered both Greco-Roman, and you might need to attach several and several themes on 1 episode.
Sorry for the hard work professor!
An educational series strongly influenced by your work
Hi Dr Adamson,
I just wanted to reach out to commend you for your invaluable work in education and for the influence that it has had on me personally. I don't get much chance to follow the podcast but I own all of the Without Any Gaps books, and they are an important reference for me in an educational animation series that I produce called Three Minute Philosophy. It's made for a very beginner audience and meant to be entertaining so it's simplified but at the very least I endeavour not to be wrong.
Sorry if this comes off as self promotion but your work has been an important guide so I wanted to let you know about one project you've inspired. And if you are at all interested, I'd gladly grant you a complimentary subscription. https://threeminutephilosophy.substack.com/
In reply to An educational series strongly influenced by your work by S Peter Davis
Three minute philosophy
Hi, thanks, that's very flattering of course! I would indeed love to see it if you could give me a subscription (you can email me: [email protected]).
New book
I see the first Africana volume is on OUP’s site as forthcoming. Great news! Is there any news on other upcoming volumes?
In reply to New book by Brian
News
Thanks for asking. Yes there is some tentative news: I’m working toward submitting the Reformation book (based on everything since Italian Renaissance ended) in the next month or so. Actually I’ll be submitting the manuscript for that before the relevant podcasts even air, since they will still be coming out until early 2025. But I have been revising the scripts for the book version over the summer and am almost done, just need to write the last two scripts/episodes. Hence that book could come out sometime in 2025. And as you say Africana 1 is close to appearing, we are expecting the page proofs soon. Africana 2 will be submitted to OUP in spring.
Of course that means three books appearing in quick succession followed by no more volumes for a couple of years, I guess the next one to be finished would be classical China.
Luís Camões’ Lusíadas
Thank you for the podcast. It’s wonderful on all fronts.
I understand you are about to cover Cervantes. I was wondering whether you also intend to cover Camões and his epic of the history of the Portuguese people from antiquity to the discovery of the maritime route to India.
I don’t know that anyone has ever looked at it in with philosophical lens, but it is the a lot of interesting things at once: an epic poem, a periplus, the defining piece of Portuguese literature, filled with saudade, profoundly Christian and yet also filled with pagan imagery and divine characters nudging the navigators right and left. Given how important the discovery of maritime routes to the far east, Africa and the America was to the renaissance, I thought this text might be an interesting milestone.
It would be fascinating to hear your perspective on it.
In reply to Luís Camões’ Lusíadas by Filipe Albuquerque
Camões
Wow, what an interesting person! To be honest this is new to me, I didn't have him on my radar at all. I guess I won't get him into the podcast (I'm already finishing off the series, working on scripts on Bellarmine and Galileo) but perhaps I can get him into the book version.
Parmenides
Professor Adamson,
Thank you very much for putting together the Podcast - it is really an incredible project and achievement. I wondered if you could provide any thoughts on the second half of Plato's Parmenides. A friend and I really enjoyed the Parmenides episode in particular, and so we went on to read the dialogue. In your view, does the gymnastic that Parmenides walks us through tell us something about the forms, or is it more of a non sequitor to the discussion leading up to it? It seemed to us that it must in some way bear on the metaphysical/epistemological issues raised in Parmenides's critique of the theory of forms, and we had some ideas of our own, but we would love to hear yours if the dialogue is fresh enough in your mind.
Thanks,
Carson
In reply to Parmenides by Carson Haddow
Parmenides 2
Yes, I chickened out of saying anything about this in the podcast. To be honest, I am really mystified by this dialogue. I vividly remember reading it for the first time (in a German library in 1997), putting it down and thinking "gosh I have no idea what that was all about." I have learned about a lot of readings since then, especially the Neoplatonic ones, but can't say I really find any of them convincing. I do think though that it is more than a logical or "gymnastic" exercise and that it is somehow supposed to help us understand how Forms relate to particulars; otherwise it is hard to see why it would be put together with Parmenides 1. Maybe a set of options for understanding how unity relates to other things?
Thank you
Dear Professor Adamson,
I've been a long time listener, long enough that I considered sending you a "welcome to Munich" email when you moved there, since I was living there at the time. I never did, but all these years later I'm still enjoying the podcast. Somehow I only recently learned that we received degrees from The University of Notre Dame in the same year, although my degree was a mere Bachelor's.
I apologize there isn't more substance to this message, but I just finally wanted to send a thank you for the years of effort you have put into this podcast. It is much appreciated.
Greetings from Illinois,
Pete
In reply to Thank you by Pete
Peters unite
So your name is Pete(r), you have lived in Munich, you got a degree from Notre Dame, and you love philosophy? Sounds like I might have two identical twins, not just the one I knew about! Thanks so much for your long-term listening!
Medieval Women: In Their Own Words
The British Library has opened the exhibition Medieval Women: In Their Own Words. https://www.bl.uk/whats-on/medieval-women/ I visited yesterday and it's a fantastic show, and has artifacts belonging to many women mentioned in HoPWAG. Julian of Norwich Margery Kempe Marguerite Porete Christine de Pizan and of course Hildegard of Bingen and many other I can't remember.
Amazing to see real artifacts from these times associated with women I've heard about on the podcase.
In reply to Medieval Women: In Their Own Words by Michael Karliner
Medieval women
Wow, that's very cool! I hope I'll get to go next time I'm in London.
US Election
Yesterday I went back to that episode you did for years ago last time Trump was elected--it made me feel a little better about things to come. Given all that's happened in the interim, I kind of expect things to be much worse this go round, and so I am hoping you will once again offer a few "words of wisdom" which I assure you are still welcomed by some of us over here.
I live in a fairly Texas-like part of Southern California and philosophically feel very alone. I've listened to just about ALL episodes at least once. Thank you. I still feel as ignorant as Socrates, but it's a much more informed ignorance.
In reply to US Election by Art
Words of wisdom
Thanks, glad you appreciated that bonus episode and the podcast more generally! I will think about it, and this has only just happened so who knows, but I'm doubt I have anything useful to add this time. Last time around I guess I thought I might have a message that could be aimed partially at people who actually supported Trump, to try to win them back around to something resembling a grip on factual and moral reality. To be honest I no longer believe that there is any way for someone like me to reach them. Also I'd be surprised if many Trump voters listened to my podcast anyway (if so, they are not listening very closely!) so they would not read/hear anything I did try to write about it or put out as another bonus episode.
More depressingly, I also don't have much in the way of encouragement or philosophical perspective to offer opponents of Trump. I mean, obviously "don't give up," but that's not very insightful. Since I live in Europe, I have the luxury of not dealing with this every day, so I can only have sympathy for people like you who are surrounded by grown adults who would consider voting for Trump, never mind actually doing it.
Another thing is that from a philosophical point of view, Trump is not interesting, at least to me. He's a bad man who has exploited and enthused people who are apparently very unhappy and angry, and who have systematically false beliefs. What else is there to say?
In reply to Words of wisdom by Peter Adamson
The election
Not that it is really philosophically relevant, but I think this election speaks more about the Democrats rather than the Republicans or specifically Trump anyway. Look at the voting data - last election Trump got 74,223,975 votes, while this election (at least as I am currently checking wikipedia - there are still some votes being counted, but that doesn't change my point) he got 73,407,934, which is roughly the same really. By contrast the Democrats lost a lot of votes - 81,283,501 in 2020 vs (with the same caveat above) 69,076,028 in 2024. So Trump won because the Democrats performed badly. There are many reasons one could come up for this. But I think it shows that making this about Trump and the Republicans is a bit of a distraction from what is going on, whatever philosophical relevance we take from this.
In reply to The election by Andrew
Election
I agree, that is pretty encouraging. Also since the current version of the Republican Party is a personality cult based around one person, it is not clear what they will or can be once Trump is gone, which he definitely will be sooner rather than later just for actuarial reasons. (If he were 60 years old I’d slightly worry about him finding a way around term limits or simply declaring himself dictator and calling out the troops in 2028, but given his age and apparent fitness he’ll be lucky even to serve out this second term.) One can imagine that level of consistent support collapsing once the figurehead is gone, which would make things easier for the Democrats. (Note that the Republicans did badly in the last mid-term, when voting for Trump wasn’t an option.) Also it’s just a feature of American politics that it tends to swing back and forth, so simply for that reason the Dems will probably do better in the mid-terms and next big election even if they don’t come up with anything too exciting.
So, reasons for hope. But to be frank one can only be so optimistic about a country where that many people were prepared to vote for him.
The Podcast
Greetings, Peter. I am a Lutheran Pastor in the USA, and I love your podcast - even though I've only made it through the first 100+. Your history, your clear explanation, and your humor are great. Before Seminary I was more into Psychology and am learning more about how the early Church explored God. Also, I am now reading the Enneads - fascinating.
Now that you are branching into the Holy Trinity, do you know of this YouTube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQLfgaUoQCw
Thanks much!
Tim
The reasoning behind the ideas
I was wondering if there are books or resources that emphasize the reasoning behind philosophical ideas over bios or historical context. For instance, in the case of the pre-Socratics, one picked water as the fundamental substance, another air and a third the aperion. Ok but why go with one option over the other? Or why not earth or gold? What would have the philosophers themselves said in a debate? Is this information available only in the primary sources, when they still exist? Thanks
Great series by the way, a truly monumental effort.
In reply to The reasoning behind the ideas by AP
Reasoning
Thanks!
I would suggest Jonathan Barnes' book on the Pre-Socratics, I think it is even in the Routledge series called "Arguments of the Philosophers" and it is basically an attempt to use the tools of analytic philosophy to do exactly what you're describing.
In reply to Reasoning by Peter Adamson
Reasoning
Thank you, it is a very interesting read and does address some of my questions, telling from the first few chapters. It's part of a thirty book series, mostly monographs about individual philosophers. The series is a bit more than I can chew but I will take a few bites. Now we need a "history of philosophy with all the arguments". Studying philosophy without the arguments is a bit like studying math without the proofs. It seems to me like missing the point, but most people indeed study math without the proofs, unless they are math majors or close, so it's completely normal. I have found a proof of the existence of God, but it's too big to fit the margin ;-)
Fallibilism vs Skepticism
I hear some claims knowledge is impossible, but some beliefs are closer to truth than others. I hear others say knowledge is possible, but all knowledge is fallible. To me, these sound like just 2 different framings of the same position, but whenever I point this out, even well informed people are adamant that i am wrong and don't understand, but I've never gotten an answer to what the difference between these are that doesn't just boil down to "one says knowledge is impossible, the other doesn't" (without elaborating on the univocal usage of knowledge both agree on).
There are a lot of people here that are well informed. Perhaps someone on here can enlighten me on the difference?
Thank you for the intro
Hello,
I originally found your podcast while looking for something that 1) Had no ads 2) had hundred of episodes 3) was boring enough to help me sleep. What I discovered is that I am actually interested in philosophy. In spite of earning a doctorate of philosophy (in chemistry), I had never really had any introduction to actual philosophy. Although I do fall asleep listening to your material, I pay attention for at least the first 15 min or so and enjoy the material and your soothing voice. Additionally I recently had a baby and so am up all hours of the night, listening to the history of philosophy while doing the many tasks required to calm an infant has greatly improved my sleepless nights. My favorite topics and episodes are the ancient Greek schools, especially the skeptics, the philosophy of sight and how that changed over time, and all of the strange contortions people have done to justify their various religious beliefs has been very entertaining. I had no idea it had taken so much work for people to come up with the idea of a trinity. I also had no idea how much people love to talk about Aristotle! My all time favorite episode though is the one with your brother about the philosophy of skill. I shared that with a lot of my fellow chemists and am very interested in the concept of what makes something a skill and how that has changed over time. Do you have any accessible other reading that touches on those topics. Anyway, I love the show and listen to it every night. Thank you.
In reply to Thank you for the intro by Matthew Carnes
Nighttime philosophy
Thanks, that's great to hear! I will pass this on to my brother. Of course I would highly recommend his various books, for this topic especially "Fewer, Better Things," a very readable account of the role of skill and craft in our lives.
music
In addition to the podcast series as a whole (I am on episode 203) enjoy the choices of music for the different periods. Is there a list somewhere of where the extracts come from. Currently I am listening to the Medieval section.
In reply to music by Matthew
Music
Indeed: if you look under "Links" (bottom of the page) and scroll down there are links to all the music that has been used on the podcast with full clips where available.
Nonduality
Dear Professor
I am mightily impressed by the extent and scope of your philosophical musings.
It seems to me, however, that there is one large gap waiting to be filled. This is the topic of nonduality. Without a grasp of this topic the literature of mysticism and much of that of religion will be incomprehensible, and metaphysics will seem to be a muddled host of intractable problems. Perhaps it is a symptom of this gap that on a first attempt I could find no discussion of Nagarjuna, who seems to me a far more important and useful philosopher than almost any other.
Besides being a general observation I have self-interested reason for this comment. I have a book forthcoming later this year that offers an accessible and comprehensive introduction to this topic and that describes the relationship between the formal metaphysics of the West and the Perennial; philosophy. If you would like to read it I would be happy to send an ARC. (It is not self-published). I do not think you will find it dull, or I wouldn't have mentioned it, but please just ignore this suggestion if you have no interest.
Thank you for your blog. It is an amazing piece of work and I look forward to doing more browsing and listening.
Regards
Peter
In reply to Nonduality by Peter Jones
Nonduality
Actually it sounds like you might have missed our whole series on Indian philosophy? We have episodes on Vedanta and four episodes on Nagarjuna, starting with this one:
https://www.historyofphilosophy.net/nagarjuna-emptiness
Thanks for the offer of the book, to be honest I am a bit pressed for reading time at the moment because I am trying to stay on top of Chinese philosophy now plus launching early modern European philosophy, so I need every spare minute I can for reading that stuff! Good luck with the publication though.
Purpose of the Islam related lectures?
Hello, I'm just here on recommendation by a friend. And I find the blog quite fascinating. As a Muslim born and now turned agnostic, I'm curious what's your motivation behind the whole Islamic content related podcasts? Is your propose just describing or documenting the whole Islamic religion/history or are there some analyses criticism coming up? Cause I see you touching so many vast topic ..from ibn Sina to Rumi to Sufism to everything possible. It would just help me a bit when I I understand the purpose behind the lectures. :) Thanks in advance! :)
In reply to Purpose of the Islam related lectures? by tahiti
Purpose
Well, the purpose is basically just the same as the rest of the project: it's a history of philosophy, so it is basically descriptive and tries to set the ideas of philosophers (understood broadly, so also theologians and mystics with philosophically relevant ideas) into historical context. It doesn't have any religious motive one way or another, and it is rarely "critical" in the sense of, like, offering objections or evaluations of the ideas put forth. It's more like an attempt at historical understanding.
Francis Bacon
I'm puzzled that you've not included any talk on Francis Bacon before Descartes. Are you not proceeding in the Early Modern section by chronological order or is there a reason for the omission?
In reply to Francis Bacon by Craig Knoche
Hold the Bacon
Oh that's just because as I explained in the first episode on early modern, and in this blog post:
https://www.historyofphilosophy.net/what-to-expect-french-dutch
I will be covering early modern in three series, the second one being on the British isles. So Bacon will come along then.
descarte
just finished listening to your episode about Descarte and was wondering if reversing his famous statement i think therefore i am inti I am thehefore i think sound somehow less phloshpically correct but still a valid scientific thought. it it actually wrong f philosphally speaking someting yoda might say anf might be gramatically wrong.
In reply to descarte by alexis dedpland
I am therefore I think
Well in a sense Descartes would also agree that, this way around, it is true: since what I am is a thinking thing, my existing does imply my thinking. But the reason the cogito is "I think therefore I am" and not the other way around is that we are certain about our existence from the experience of thinking. It's an interesting question whether you can also just experience that you exist: Avicenna thought so.
One other thing your question raises is the point that the cogito seems to be an inference or argument. Some early critics objected to the cogito that if it is an argument then it must involve some premises, like "anything that thinks, exists" and it's hard to see how he can assume a premise like that if he is radically doubting everything.
expression of gratitude
Dear Mr. Adamson, I thank you wholeheartedly for your podcast!
Every time I want to make sure that there is wisdom and kindness in this world, I turn on your podcast and every time it gives me inspiration, good mood and food for thought.
Thank you again for everything you do!
Warmest regards,
Nina (Krasnoyarsk, Russia)
In reply to expression of gratitude by Nina
Thanks
Wow thanks! I'm so glad to hear you find it helpful. Greetings to Krasnoyarsk from Munich!
Slavery in islam
I am very surprised to hear stricltly nothing about slavery in the muslim world , enslavery of christians in particular , the fact that women and children were used as sex slaves and that men were usually castrated. Was there no philosophical debate in the islamic world about that, didn t you find it worth noticing or am i still too early in the main podcast ( about episode 220 , thus after philosophy in arabic language ) . My BELIEF ( for i can t find any confirmation / infirmation) is that the whole societies in the whole islamic world until the 18 th century used slaves, in almost any family , rich or modest.
In reply to Slavery in islam by Pierre
Slavery in Islam
Actually we looked at this in some detail but in the Africana series, not the Islamic World series, so it's not surprising you didn't find it. The most relevant episode is this one:
https://www.historyofphilosophy.net/subsaharan-islam
I am not an expert on it but I think it's probably a wild exaggeration to say that "most families" would have had slaves, but it is certainly true there was slavery in pre-modern Islam (as in many, or even most, pre-modern soceities). As we explain in this episode there were also legal restrictions on slavery, including bans on enslaving Muslims.
In reply to Slavery in Islam by Peter Adamson
Slavery in islam
As far as i know , even poor people could buy a share in a slave , and they were bought to DO the job and produce value , and as far as i know their were slave in almost any family. For my understanding , islam and slavery always worked together and taking slaves, mainly as sex slave, was the main motivation of the soldiers to fight and conquest, and for example, the islamisation of India , that you describe like a kind of civilizational spreading was the biggest blood bad in the history of humanity ( to nowadays and counting) accompanied by the enslaving of millions. In my understanding, muslim bought slaves , african, european, asian , man castrated and women and children used as sex slave like we buy today a car , an electric drill or a television , i MAY be wrong but i am pretty sure ( true belief ?) that i am not and , as a specialist of islamic history , i thought you were the most capable person to sort this out , and expected to discover some ethic debates by islamic scholars. All my knowledge comes from a very long period of online exchange with muslims on a french forum , my belief on slavery comes from filling the gaps made bu avoiding and misleading answers that i got there from the most educated in religious matters. I have to thank you for your podcast, which really makes my life better. I am VERY STRONGLY opinionated against islam, and, this is hard to confess, againt muslims , because i see or think beeing able to see the ethic result of their ideology , i m going further educating myself, but that such a podcast doesn t expose and inquire the actual reality of the slavery in islam looks to me very unsettling.. i am french , blue collar, my english is not the best.Have a nice day !
In reply to Slavery in islam by Pierre
Slavery in Islam
Well I am a specialist in history of philosophy, not history in general. I think a good book to read on this would be the following:
https://oneworld-publications.com/work/slavery-and-islam
In reply to Slavery in Islam by Peter Adamson
As you said, you think (…
As you said, you think ( believe) that it s wildly exaggerated , and i believe that it s wildly volontary hushed . When you ascribe the force of the conquest drive to faith , it looks to me way more logical to ascribe it to a license to loot and rape , with a religious blessing. Same for convertion : Do you want to be a slave ? Not be a slave ? Have slaves ? I am not going to spoil your precious ( and very usefull) time but i think that you cant do the promotion job that you do without a clear representation about this phenomena , it s extent, and it s effects.
Thanks (:
Thank you for your podcast! It’s a huge undertaking, and you make the ideas accessible, and I appreciate it. It also means a lot that you take theology seriously and engage with it!
I also appreciate that you seem like you love giraffes.
I recently discovered this singular project and am legitimately-
worried I will shuffle off this mortal coil before you get to Kant, and you yourself might not make it to Wittgenstein. In each episode, you thread the needle of lucidity without reduction. I know I am listening to an introduction to each school and philosopher, and I never feel that complex material has been simplified. I realize that I must be grateful for the generosity of your guest speakers but so far (I'm up to episode 98) I will admit that nearly all the guests, the renowned and the very renowned, do not quite share the commitment to concrete accessibility that is the HoPWG standard. But, of course, I appreciate their time.
This is a model of what podcasting can be: the sparest possible production, personality without narcissism, commitment to disciplined education. Thank you for all the work you have done and continue to do. Actuarially, I have about another 25 years. Maybe Hume, if not Kant.
In reply to I recently discovered this singular project and am legitimately- by Nina
Thanks
Gosh, thanks! That's very kind of you. It sounds like you and I might be about the same age so hopefully we can see the project through to Kant and beyond together.
Helen de Cruz
One contemporary philosopher who sadly didn't live long enough to hear your discussion of Cartesian philosophy is Helen de Cruz. Would it be possible to fit in a tribute to her at this point? Alternatively, let us listeners know when you intend to discuss Margaret Cavendish. Helen produced a beautiful illuminated edition of Blazy Worlds - a book that deserves a programme to itself. I came across Cavendish when studying for my MRes. A rabbit hole which turned into an Aladdin's cave.
If you do the programme, don't forget to include an audio intro of Helen's archlute playing.
Keep up the good work. Probably only another 20 years to go!
In reply to Helen de Cruz by Carl Upsall
de Cruz
Yes, that was really sad news - I didn't know Helen well but had interacted with her a bit on social media. Actually listeners to the podcast have been hearing her lute playing quite a bit already, she kindly provided a custom-made clip for the French Renaissance series!
Re. Cavendish she will be in the early modern sub-series on Britain, of course, meaning we won't get to her for a couple of years yet - we have to do 17-18th c France and the Netherlands.
Timeline
Hello, I'm fairly new in the area philosophy so I was wondering where to start. Maybe in the classical Greeks? I would aprecciate the suggestions for the best way to listen every episode. Also I was thinking a timeline with all the important points would help to relate the moment where philosophers took inspiration of other philosophers, also because it would help people like me to feel like we are not missing any gaps by going "year by year" into this beautiful history of philosophy.
In reply to Timeline by Gustavo Maximilian
Where to start
Well, it is a chronological podcast so you can just start at the beginning (though there are four independent beginnings, one in ancient Greece, one in India, one for Africana, one in China). And we actually do have timelines for all the series, have a look at the buttons at the bottom of the website pages!
The first episodes of HoPwag in a parallel universe
Peter, you mentioned several times, that in retrospect you’d begin the podcast somewhat differently than you actually did. Having bought the book versions and being somewhat bored I started to imagine how this might actually look like and I started to imagine such an alternative list.
Does the following list (without interviews) more or less reflect what you would do if you began anew?
Vol. 1 The origins of Western Philosophy from the Stone Age to Classical Greece
Introduction
1. Introduction to the podcast
2. Origins of philosophy / prehistoric philosophy (similar to HoAP episode 2)
Ancient Mesopotamia / Ancient Near East
3. Introduction to the Ancient Near East and Ancient Near Eastern Thought
4. The invention of writing and its impact on Philosophy
5. Ancient Mesopotamian Myths (Enuma Elish, Atrahasis, Descent of Inanna into the Underworld)
6. The Epic of Gilgamesh
7. Ancient Near Eastern ethics / wisdom literature
8. Mathematics and Sciences in the Ancient Near East
9. Man-God-relations, fate and astrology in Ancient Mesopotamian Philosophy
10. Ancient Near Eastern political thought
11. Women and gender in Ancient Near Eastern thought
12. Influence and heritage of Ancient Near Eastern thought (via Ancient Greece and the Old Testament)
Ancient Egypt
13. Introduction to Ancient Egyptian thougt
14. Ancient Egyptian cosmology and theology
15. Ancient Egyptian ethics / wisdom literature
16. “Dispute Between a Man and his Ba”
17. The Tale of the Eloquent Peasant and other Egyptian narrative works
18. Women and gender in Ancient Egypt
19. Akhenaten’s monotheism
20. Influence and historical reception of Ancient Egyptian thought
Ancient Iran (as far as I know, little original literature of Achaemenid Persia survives, but Ancient Persia closes the gap between the Ancient Near East and Ancient Greek)
21. Introduction to Ancient Iran (Origins of Iraninan Culture/Indo-Europeans, politicial structure of the Achaemenid empire, general culture, nature of evidence etc)
22. Early Zoroastrian thought
23. The role of Ancient Persia in the history of philosophy
Ancient Greece
24. Introduction to Ancient Greece
25. Hesiod
26. Homer
27. Sapho and Archaic Greek poetry
28. Introduction to the presocratics
29.– 41. Episodes 1 to 13 of the actual podcast
42. Introduction to Ancient Athens
43. The historians (Herodotes and Thucydides)
44. The sophists (actual episode 14)
45. etc: the actual episodes 15 and following, just with an extra episode on Platos “laws” and the text on women in Ancient Greek Philosophy included in the book
Vol. 2 Philosophy in the Hellenistic and Roman World
Actual episodes including “the household and the state” included in the books
Vol 3. Philosophy in the Islamic World
154. Introduction to Philosophy in the Islamic World (similar to episode 120 of the actual podcast)
155. Philosophy in Pre-Islamic Persia from Alexanders conquest to the Islamic conquest (maybe two episodes, one on later Zoroastrianism and one on the reception of Greek Philosophy in Iran?)
156. The worldview of Pre-Islamic-Arabia (as far as it can be reconstructed based on Jahili poetry and Islamic tradition)
157. The historical context of the formative periodes (giving also a short historical summary of early Islamic history for listeners not familiar with it).
158. Acutal episodes 121 ff…
In reply to The first episodes of HoPwag in a parallel universe by Bernese
Parallel universe
Wow, that is amazing! Yes, I think you've pretty much got it, though if I were doing it all over again now I'd also have to think about China and India... maybe I would have had co-authors from the start. Of course this way, Egypt appears in the "original series" rather than as part of Africana which is a downside. I also wonder whether the podcast would have found an audience if it had not gotten to Greek philosophy until episode 24? So maybe doing it the "wrong" way had unexpected advantages.
But anyway this is very cool, thanks for putting so much thought and effort into it.
In reply to Parallel universe by Peter Adamson
I would not have listened
Peter, you guessed correctly, at least for me.
When I first came across the History of Philosophy podcast (probably around 2016), I had just discovered podcasts and found that by searching "history of" many interesting options popped up. I knew zero about philosophy, but loved history. So, on a lark, I tried your podcast. I immediately liked it. Had you not started at a traditional beginning, I would probably not have gotten to the second episode.
Some people make the mistake of thinking that generalist podcasts are made for experts. Experts already have much familiarity and have read the literature for decades. Although general history podcasts should not be aimed at half-wits (a la the old History or Discovery channels, or the current occupant of the White House), the best history podcasts are aimed at intelligent, interested, non-experts.
Thank you for doing, at least at first, what I have been led to believe is the traditional thing--starting with Thales. Your efforts have enriched my life.
Spencer
In reply to I would not have listened by Spencer
Starting with Thales
Actually I remember that back in 2010, when I started this, part of my thinking was "how am I going to get people to listen to some podcasts about Islamic philosophy?" So the idea of starting with Greek philosophy was in part to build an audience who would hopefully stay with me for that. I hope that a lot of other listeners have also sort of had their ideas about philosophy expanded along the way; that has certainly happened for me by doing it! Anyway thanks, I'm glad you stuck with the series and have found it useful!
In reply to Parallel universe by Peter Adamson
purpose of hopwag parellel universe
Glad, you enjoyed my little fancy!
Concerning your comments: I should have mentioned, that I was only reimagining the first episodes of the “western” (“Western Eurasian and North African”?) series, assuming that beside it the India, China and Africana series would still exist. Ancient Egypt could have easily integrated in, like, an episode and an interview on “Ancient Egyptian Philosophy as part of Africana Philosophy” and you the recommending people listen to all the Ancient Egyptian episodes before moving on to Ethiopia? So it would have been mainly problematic for the books?
I think you certainly would have gained some listeners even with this approach (and not just experts”). Over at the “literature and history podcast” the host Doug Metzger, who began with Mesopotamian myths, said in a recent Q&A, that many listeners would have liked to hear more about Mesopotamian literature. Although the literature crowd is in this regard admittedly probably a little bit different from the philosophy crow. Still, I think there would have been people who think “Wow! Here I can literally study the thought of the entire world!” and other who would have only been interested once you came to Greece, but they would have appreciated considering not only Greek culture itself but embedding it in a wide environment. But actually I also think that there are probably more people beginning it
Anyway ,this was less thought as an actual idea how you should began, but more to illustrate the dialectics of how a podcast can change the expectations of the maker and the listener what the podcast should be about (although we’ll have to wait some ten years and three books until you come to German Idealism find out what kind of dialectics…). Just as you mentioned in your last answert to Spencer.
Speaking of gaps, do you plan to make an episode on the Congo Kingdom as part of the episode 500 series? Chike mentioned it once in a interview you linked as something he wished you had covered.
In reply to purpose of hopwag parellel universe by Bernese
Congo
Right, I took it in that spirit, as a kind of measure of how much we've all learned by doing this.
Thanks for the reminder about the Congo Kingdom, I'll add that to my list of possible topics!
Principle of least action
There is an alternative approach to Newtonian mechanics that is in a way more profound and also more powerful because it can be extended to relativity and quantum systems. It is called the variational or Lagrangian approach. This approach was proposed by Lagrange, Euler, Maupertius and the Bernoullis, and its origins can be traced back even further to Huygens, Leibniz and Fermat.
Although it can be defined in very concrete mathematical terms, it has been referred to in teleological and theological terms since its inception, with people using it to prove the existence of God and discuss purpose, economy, wisdom and optimization in nature. Examples include: 'Nature knows', 'nature has a purpose' and 'nature is wise or perfect'. I was wondering how old these ideas are and whether you have touched on them in your podcast?
In reply to Principle of least action by Diego
Nature knows
Interesting! I don't know about the Lagrangian approach but maybe we'll cover that when we get to him.
Teleology (goal-directedness) has come up a lot on the podcast, as have proofs for the existence of God based on the providential design of the universe. I guess you could start by going back to the episode on Aristotle and the four causes.
First of all thank you so…
First of all thank you so much! I took a five month philosophy course to prepare me for an entrance exam and I listened to every episode of your podcast and it really helped me so much! I didn’t know anything about philosophy before and it was good for both understanding the fundamentals and having a fuller understanding of philosophers. Having said that—this is not a critique, more of a request, I feel that sometimes the greats are remembered in a simplistic way and I want all of their story and insights. I want what was progressive or revolutionary in philosophy that they brought us but also their most toxic and terrible traits and conclusions, and I want transmitted things like the demented quality of Augustine’s ramblings in city of god, the dual reality of the progress of the enlightenment and also the cruelty and hypocrisy of its thinkers. I know you already try to do this but I think there’s just more story to be told. Maybe it’s a big ask for a project that is covering all of philosophy but we always have something to say. Anyway thank you so much for your work!
In reply to First of all thank you so… by AG
Toxic philosophers
That's great to hear! Hope the exam went well.
I take your point about the fact that for the most part I try to put the philosophers in a relatively good light (but with exceptions: check out the start of my episode on Savanarola. Part of that is just because I'm trying to draw in the listeners and encourage their interest in the material. But it's also because I worry about anachronism in critiquing historical figures. It sort of depends on the context, for instance I'd be much harsher on a defender of slavery from the 19th century (one confronted with, say, Frederick Douglass and still defending slavery) than on Aristotle who was living in a time when slavery was mostly an unquestioned fact of life, one he just wanted to understand.
Other episodes
Oh good point, thanks for that as well! 250 would be easy since that even exists as a text file already (and the same will be true for 500). I’ll do that.