255. Andreas Speer on Medieval Aesthetics

Posted on 5 June 2016

Does medieval art tell us anything about medieval theories of aesthetics? Peter finds out from Andreas Speer.

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Aesthetics and the Arts (Music, Painting, etc)

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Stoev on 9 June 2016

Thanks

Thanks for this theme and the episode.

I think "les beaux arts" are partly a romantic invention but we need this label even when we are looking in and understanding the past.

Larry from Tacoma on 13 June 2016

German word?

I have very little German and was unable to catch the German word Speer used when he as talking about Hegelian "inersection of art and beauty." Could anyone please tell me what the word was?

Peter Adamson on 13 June 2016

German

I'm sure I can help you decipher it - do you know at what minute it is in the podcast, to help me find the place?

Larry from Tacoma on 16 June 2016

Thank you!

Thank you!

It's a bit past 7 minutes 15 seconds.

Peter Adamson on 16 June 2016

ars pulchra

Actually he is saying "ars pulchra" there - Latin, not German. I guess that "fine art" is the best translation.

Larry from Tacoma on 16 June 2016

Thank you very much! Now I

Thank you very much! Now I can hear it.

By the way, big fan of the podcasts, & I thought this episode was especially interesting. I always love the interviews (& everything else).

Glenn Russell on 3 July 2016

Medieval Aesthetics

Thanks so much, Peter, for the episode. Here is my understanding synopsized. Any comments most appreciated.

Medieval aestheics usually is viewed by such writers as Eco in terms of transcendental beauty expressing itself in Light, Proportion and Symbol & Allegory. (I hear echoes of Plotinus' chapter 9 on Beauty with light and proportion. Andreas Speer thinks this way of seeing through a modeern, Hegelian lens (ideas first; materials second) is simply not accurate.

Rather, after investigating the actual record of constructions of cathedrals and other objects now found in modern museums, things like statues and religious paintings, those medieval artisans were very "earthy" creators, working with materials ina specific location and what was ultimately created was very practical and an organic outgrowth site specific.

Andreas Spper also noted how individual medieval craftsman would "sign" their work but more than anything each individual's identity was more entwined in a group or guild. And, of course, people in the medieval world were not viewing these works as objects of fine art set off from the everyday world in an objective way (as per aesthetic theories of thinkers like Kant and Schopenhauer) but were seeing those works as within the fabric of their day-to-day lives and supports for their Church centered religion.

Peter Adamson on 3 July 2016

Aesthetics

Thanks, I think that sums it up quite well! Or at least part of what he said, it's a very rich interview and subject, I think. One other thing I took away from is that he defines the topic not only by negatively rejecting the Hegelian approach, as you mention, but with a more positive approach of thinking about medieval aesthetics as dealing with, effectively, the original meaning and purpose of objects we would _now_ consider to be art, even if they were not categorized as such back then. That was very interesting, I found.

Glenn Russell on 4 July 2016

Medieval Aesthetics

Thanks very much for your post here, Peter. Yes, a very rich subject! If there was a entire course devoted to medieval aesthetics I'd be the first person to sign up!

Thinking about medieval aesthetics dealing with, effectively, the original meaning and purpose of objects we would now consider to be art --------- Yes, big difference in the way they viewed objects. Nowadays we would put a finely crafted gargoyle in a glass case in a museum where visitors could view in detail close up. Back then, the gargoyle was high up, doing its job during a rain as a water-spitter. If people down below couldn't see the detail, that's the way it goes. As I understand, those stone carvers could really stretch their imagination with gargoyles; even if the townspeople couldn't see them up close, their fellow stone carvers could, when they were on the ground or in the shop being carved. (This according to a art historian specializing in the subject).

Dave Lavery on 31 July 2021

Prof. Speer website link

Dear Peter,

I hope that all is well. I returned to this page to find Prof. Speer's site info. The link appears to be dead and I didn't have luck searching. Any chance you have a way to contact him to find out the new link?

I haven't purchased the Marebon edited book yet, but it's on the long-term list.

Many thanks,

Dave

Peter Adamson on 31 July 2021

Speer website

Thanks for letting me know! I have updated the link but it is at:

https://thomasinstitut.uni-koeln.de/mitarbeiterinnen/andreas-speer